This interview was supposed to appear in the fourth issue of the ‘zine I’ve been doing, but I’ve recently lost almost complete interest in putting the shit together. I can’t even think of enough ramblings to put in this thing. At any rate, I’m posting this interview with Die Young because I don’t want to see it go to waste. They’re one of the few worthwhile bands that still exists in the hardcore scene today and I’m honored that my former band, Meantime, got to share the stage (so to speak) with them the few times that we did. The interview is with Daniel, the vocalist and all-around Die Young renaissance man, again, one of the few worthwhile people in the hardcore scene I’ve had the pleasure of actually conversing with. Die Young just released a new 7″ entitled “Loss” and a retrospective entitled “Through the Valleys In Between.

1. What do you do in Die Young and can you give me some band history (releases, labels, tours, etc.)? How did you guys get involved with two Floridian labels (Eulogy and DON)?
My name is Daniel. My comical stage name is “The Rev. White Devil.” Believe it or not, I did not give that name to myself. It is actually a combination of two different nicknames that friends of mine started to call me when I started fronting Die Young some 5 and a half years ago. In general, I write the music, the lyrics, book the tours, do the webpage, do the artwork for releases, the merch designs. You name it. I’m the last standing OG member so eventually everything just fell into my lap. I think the newer dudes in the band feel a little intimidated trying to jump in and help me out. And I suppose having a history like Die Young has may be a bit intimidating to a newcomer. We’ve toured the world—4 continents, 20+ countries, and we’ve toured North America countless times in the past 5 years, all the while releasing record after record on label after label (Eulogy, A389, SA Mob, Alveran, Still Life, Immigrant Sun, TDB, and more). Our relationship with Eulogy and Double or Nothing Records, I feel, began long before DON existed or long before the prospect of us striking up a deal with Eulogy. We used to play a lot with the South Florida band On Our Own back when they were around, and just about everyone working at those labels these days played in On Our Own at one point and have been long time fans of Die Young.
2. Anything you’d like to mention about touring in East Asia and Alaska?
Make sure you go exploring those regions before you die. You’ll know what I mean when you get there. There’s not much to do in Alaskan cities, but the wilderness is immense and diverse, and of course that is the real attraction. East Asia’s got everything—amazing beaches, cities, mountains, great food, great people, and wildlife that is nothing like here in North America. As far as hardcore scenes go, places like Thailand, Singapore, and Malaysia all have something fresh and special going on.
3. Where can people get copies of your ‘zine “The Message”? How many issues have you done and will there be any more?
I usually have them available at all Die Young shows, but I have been slacking lately, and I haven’t kept the two issues I have done in print. I need to make some more immediately. I figure I will do a third issue soon. For now, if you are interested in picking a copy or copies, feel free to email me at ingodwerust@hotmail.com and we will work out an order.
4. A cliche question, but you can elaborate however you want: lyrically, what inspires you to write what you write?
Lately it has just been a sense of loss in my life—hence the title of the new 7-inch. It’s a sense of loss stemming from the consciousness I have about what is happening in the world we’ve inherited. You know, I’ve had it well all my life. A home, a family, the only poverty I’ve ever come to know is by my own doing (because I have chosen to make a life out of playing punk rock for the time being). But there’s always that safety net of my middle class American background to fall back on. I am sure there are plenty of people who think I’m an ingrate because this corrupt system has obviously provided for me very well, or that we’re ingrates in this band because we try to raise questions about the nature of the world order we all live under, and we criticize it despite our good fortune as middle class American kids. I understand that doing so may seem ungrateful, but you know, how am I supposed to react when I go to Costa Rica and I hear Costa Ricans talk about simple farmers who live in the mountains who are being pushed off their lands—lands that they have been on for centuries–for larger commercial farms and factory farms because of programs put in place by CAFTA (Central American Free Trade Agreement)? Or how I am supposed to feel about my own tax dollars (even if it is not many of them) helping to fund a sham of a war in the Middle East? Or what about really good people that I know who have been protesting animal cruelty industries–in a completely lawful manner—that are being spied on by the feds, or being put on no-fly lists by the federal government. You know, what the fuck is that? It seems that people doing their best to resist oppression in this world are either cast out as the bad guys by the real bad guys, or they are just squashed entirely. What I am getting at is that these are just a few problems in our society, and though my life may be one of privilege, I can still recognize that we are connected in the web of the world—by economics, if nothing else. The list goes on really. But what I am ultimately getting at is that things are REAL fucked up, and that it is overwhelming to realize how big things are, and how much bigger than each one of us they may actually be. It feels like the weight of the world. So when I write these songs, even if they are not typically uplifting or positive, I am aiming to spread awareness. Awareness might not seem so desirable in a world that is so fucked up, but I think awareness is potent—it can break our hearts and wear us down, but it is important to go through that process getting your heart broken, so that when we finally hit rock bottom we will at last become invincible and able to get up and fight for whatever it is that we love in our daily lives. I want to help spread awareness because it is essential to fostering resistance, and what the world needs is more resistance to the status quo.
5. What are some of Die Young’s musical inspirations?
We’ve always essentially been a 90’s hardcore band that started in the year 2002. Musically we’ve always drawn the most influence from bands like Catharsis, Integrity, Trial, Buried Alive, Ringworm, Tragedy, and even Earth Crisis or Indecision. But lately I’ve been listening to a lot of non-hardcore and I’ve really gotten into listening into anything with cellos or violins, and female voices. That really shows on the new 7-inch, as we were able to work in a couple female vocal harmonies and an instrumental interlude with a 12-string guitar accompanied by a cello. I think brings a lot more depth and wider scope of emotion to the table for the band. At this point, I’m not just into conveying brutal rage. I want to convey rage and frustration, like always, sure, but I also want to convey an honest sense of defeat and hopelessness, and even agony, because that’s how I feel these days.
6. What initially attracted you to this lifestyle? What were the bands that opened the doors for you? What influenced you to become vegan and straight edge?
The initial attraction was a culmination of a few things. I was always into aggressive rock music as a kid, but I found hardcore and Straight Edge when I was 15 and a lot of friends of mine were getting hooked on drugs. I tried drugs, sure, but once a couple of my friends started doing coke I was really creeped out because they started to become different people. Luckily I found Earth Crisis and that introduced me to a whole line of people at hardcore shows who thought that NOT doing drugs was in fact the cool thing to do. It just gave me a base to break away from all the apathy I had previously been surrounded by. Animal rights was generally synonymous with the 90’s hardcore and Straight Edge movement, so it was only a given that I would be introduced to ideas like vegetarianism and veganism. I quit eating meat when I was 15, but it wasn’t until 3 years ago that I decided to become vegan, and I attribute that to the amount of information I had gathered over the years, be it reading or watching documentaries, or maybe just talking to people. There was a point where I realized that the dairy industry was and is one and the same with the meat-packing industry, because they are both based on factory farming; they are all based on the enslavement, malnourishment, and abuse of sentient beings. I tend to think that anyone who is vegetarian but refuses to be vegan just isn’t informing themselves enough. But don’t get me wrong—if that’s you, I am still stoked that you don’t eat meat (it’s better than you making no sacrifices at all!).
7. How do you think things have changed within the hardcore and punk rock scenes since when you first became interested?
I don’t want to go on some rant about this subject again. I am sure I sound like a broken record to everyone who knows me well enough. So I will appease you with a metaphor: hardcore for me is a lot like the Garden of Eden. In the beginning (for me) it was a pure place, where everything was perfect, and it gave me everything in my life to be satisfied. It supplicated the void mainstream America put in me. Now though, we’ve gone through a fall from grace. Things are fucked up, we’ve been cast out of that perfect naïve time, and there’s a lot of shame and regret to go around. In America that’s how it is atleast. In other parts of the world the hardcore scene is still young and the most amazing thing ever. I fear it is just a matter of time before those scenes, too, unravel. I sincerely hope not. But you know, the one thing that is a constant positive in hardcore is that in every city there are atleast 5-10 kids who get it: that understand grassroots networking, and the DIY ethic, and the need to resist and live an alternative lifestyle. There will always be those few people in and because of this subculture, and that’s the small ray of hope that we’ll always have here.
8. What has kept this band going all these years of relentless touring? Do you ever get sick of it? What could you see yourself doing if you had never been a part of this band?
In some ways I’d say we’ve persevered through the years of touring because we’re passionate about what we do, but sometimes you start to feel jaded and burned out, especially when the crowds are not as enthusiastic as the band (which is a characteristic of the United States, not so much anywhere else), and then sometimes all that’s left inside of us is a desire to not go home and not go back to work. We just did a 9 week North American tour, and by the end of it we wanted to go home, but not necessarily because we were looking forward to being stationary for a while, or having to go back to some shitty job—not at all! haha—but it’s just one of those things where you do one thing for too much or too long so you want something else. At this point we are definitely sick of touring in the United States. For all the work we put in we often feel like we don’t get it back from the kids. I don’t mean to talk down or insult the tight core of people who support us in North America, because we certainly appreciate their support, but I mostly feel like the majority of hardcore kids—the masses, if you will, haha—are just rotten people, as rotten and generic and mediocre as the rest of society. In fact, they may as well just be the rest of society. I’ve seen enough flat-brimmed hats to know that hardcore isn’t hardcore anymore—it’s just a few degrees a way from being as lousy as mainstream rap. And you know, I think the tight core of kids who really support Die Young, and really care about the things we are conveying, totally understand that. So I would expect that they would have seen this coming from us for a long time. From here on out, and US shows we play will only be select shows to get us to an airplane somewhere to go to another continent. Okay, so what could I have seen myself doing if I had not started this band? Hmm, well I really don’t know, because I really did start this band out of the sheer desperation of not knowing what else to do with my life. When I was in school, for the year that I attempted to do that, I thought I would major in English or Philosophy, and I thought I would go on to be a teacher. Being a teacher, to me, seemed like a meager but sufficient living, and likewise it seemed like a good way to connect with people/kids and make an impact in the world. But after a year of jumping through hoops in college I was so depressed because I felt like I was doing all those things because they were what my family and society expected of me. I had to be honest with myself: what I really wanted to do was explore the world and play music. I can’t see myself ever going back to school at this point. I feel like I’ve learned more through traveling and meeting people, or just reading in the van haha, through Die Young anyway
9. It’s an election year. What do you think of the candidates? What are you most concerned about, socially, politically, ethically? Do you vote?
I have voted in the past, yes. I will try to vote this year, but I need to figure out how to do that being that Die Young will have me in Europe a month before and 3 weeks after the election. I do not vote because I think that it matters so much. Rather, I vote for the symbolic meaning of it—the notion that something like democracy might be able to one day exist, or the notion that we should be in the practice of being involved with how our society functions. That’s really what’s important, because every 4 years the public puts another figurehead into the oval office (or do they?) and nothing changes. It really doesn’t matter who gets into that oval office. What matters is if we learned to get involved and network within our communities for change. That is where it all begins if it is going to happen at all. I think one of the things that I’ve been most concerned about lately is that so many people I encounter these days really do seem to think that a Barack Obama, or John McCain, or Hillary Clinton, whoever, in the office is going to bring about some kind of dramatic change. It bothers me that these people have so much faith in this system, that they think it could all be as simple as that. How much is going to take to desecrate their faith in the system? The ever-rising death-toll in Iraq and Afghanistan? The prospects of more US offensives in South America? The oil and energy crisis? These are things that can’t be fixed by simply replacing a few people, because in many ways they are just repetitions of past mistakes and injustices that this system has always thrived on.
10. Being that you’re a Texan, has this country’s latest administration been especially hard for you to bear? Do you recall his term (terms?) as governor?
I was probably between the ages of 13 and 17 when GW was gov’ner of Texas, so I wasn’t conscious of much. I knew he was governor, but that was about it haha. Though GW is from Texas, I’m not especially embarassed by him because I am not some sort of Texas “nationalist” like a lot of Texans are haha. I was born here, he was born here, I didn’t really have anything to do with any of that. And as far as the quality of his presidency goes, I don’t think he is particularly worse than most presidents in US history. Sure, just about every single one of the motherfuckers were more eloquent than GW, but FDR was a warmonger all the same, who passed a law against people being “anarchists” (what the fuck?), JFK lied to drag us into a bullshit imperialist war in Southeast Asia, and LBJ (another Texan, whaddaya know?!) kept the lies going to keep us in that war for quite some time. All of these people, and nearly all of those who came before, in between, and after the ones I just threw out for example’s sake are generally one in the same, and likewise they all generally deserved to be executed at the hands of the people.
11. Christianity. Does it have any place in the realm of hardcore and punk rock? Is it anyone’s place to decide? What about something more broad like spirituality (i.e. Hare Krishna, Rastafarianism)?
It’s definitely no one’s place to decide about this, because if there’s one thing I’d like to never see in hardcore or punk rock it is centralized authority. I would hope that the general concensus of hardcore kids worldwide is that god, religion, and authority have no place in our underground, but that is wishful thinking. Personally, I don’t really have a problem with spirituality in the general sense. Even as someone who considers himself an atheist, I would still say I am a spiritual person. I find deep meaning and connection with certain things, like natural things–the elements: sun, wind, water, etc. Fuck, even the great anarchist/feminist/atheist Emma Goldman would often refer to many experiences in her autobiographical works as “spiritual” even though she had pages upon pages devoted to waging war on the idea of god. The fact is that we are human beings, and we think symbolically, but we don’t know everything, so when we connect to things in life that give us a sense of meaning or purpose or connection to some sort of life force that we perceive as “bigger” than ourselves, even if that force is some kind of mental or emotional conjuring, we’re bound to get spiritual sensations from those experiences. That’s beautiful, and I’d even say it is one of the great perks of being human. As always, it’s just when these kinds of feelings become organized and institutionalized that they become dangerously dogmatic and socially destructive. As much as Die Young has criticized western religion, and Christianity specifically, I want to be specific in saying that we’ve never been here to dictate what people think or do. We are here to criticize aspects of our society that we feel to be blind or hollow. We just want people to think about them. For example, the song “Graven Images” may seem to just be blatantly offensive to Christians, but if you really read it through and through you will understand that that there are lines that are sympathetic to the Christian community–to the progressive Christian community, anyway. I want to start a dialogue about faiths between faiths, even a dialogue between faiths and those who don’t believe. The other day we actually had a youth pastor praise that very song (Graven Images) saying he agrees with our frustrations with modern Christianity. I think that’s amazing. That’s exactly what I wanted to happen from having written that song. I want to see objective thinking; I want to see Christians understand that is their responsibility to examine the tennets of what they follow, and to analyze the problems their institution has created for itself and the world, and I want them to fix it. And that goes for any religion. I don’t criticize eastern religions so much, because those are not the religions that govern western society, but that doesn’t mean I think they are really any better. Nevertheless, I still uphold that there are many beautiful aspects of all faiths, and though I generally do not relate to any of them, or adhere to any of them, I still think there is some value to them and what they have contributed, for better or for worse, to the world.
12. Any new bands you’re excited about? Native to Texas or otherwise?
Native to Texas, I am the most stoked on Mammoth Grinder from Austin, The Golden Age from Corpus Christi, and Lie and Wait from San Antonio. Granted, there’s a bunch of great stuff coming out of Texas these days but I really don’t have time to drop all of their names. Around the world I am really digging Dead City from Memphis, Words from Quebec City, The Separation from Northen California, Anchor from Sweden, KDC from Puerto Rico, and so many other bands. Our current bassist and guitarist, Kayhan and Jeff, play in awesome band called Legion from Birmingham, Alabama. I am pretty sure they are a staple “This Is For You Fest” band at this point haha. Hey, by the way, would it be lame of me to drop Meantime’s name in this interview? I hope not haha, because I actually really like Meantime.
13. What’s something you’ve been concerned with lately, related to hardcore or otherwise? Here’s a space to vent, rant, or whatever.
Very few things concern me about hardcore these days. It’s mostly like dead like punk is mostly dead, so bah-humbug to that shit! I’ve actually been trying to focus on bigger issues in Die Young. I don’t care about saving the scene anymore, I just care about finding the few people in it that care about bigger issues–you know the issues that really apply to the real world. I want to find the people here that are ready to put masks on and sabotage the cops. I want to find people here that are ready to sink whaling ships and commercial fishing vessels. I want to meet people that are willing to burn down animal testing laboratories, or open the cages on fur farms. I want to meet people here that are concerned with justice–not that phony shit in the courts, and not the mob rule of the masses, but the justice that comes from tight-knit groups of people being vigilant and uncompromising, and SMART! There’s a lot of shit that needs to be done in this world, and singing or talking about saving our precious little underground social bubble isn’t going to do much to get those things done. Anyway, I figure side-stepping the issue of the hardcore scene by talking about the bigger issues at hand will only make the scene better. So that’s two cops with one bullet, but too bad no one really gives a shit haha.
Thanks go out to Daniel and Die Young for answering my questions.